Comments on: Philly hates motorcycles https://www.chinonthetank.com/2013/10/philly-hates-motorcycles/ Home Fri, 19 Jun 2015 00:39:58 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.1.6 By: lunette Ray Ban femme https://www.chinonthetank.com/2013/10/philly-hates-motorcycles/comment-page-1/#comment-471067 Fri, 19 Jun 2015 00:39:58 +0000 http://www.chinonthetank.com/?p=11675#comment-471067 ray ban clubmaster

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By: nicks https://www.chinonthetank.com/2013/10/philly-hates-motorcycles/comment-page-1/#comment-15429 Sun, 03 Nov 2013 16:59:05 +0000 http://www.chinonthetank.com/?p=11675#comment-15429 I might know someone at one of the local TV news stations that could do a little story. Who at COTT should I put them in touch with if they wanted to interview someone?

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By: ed https://www.chinonthetank.com/2013/10/philly-hates-motorcycles/comment-page-1/#comment-15391 Fri, 01 Nov 2013 20:06:26 +0000 http://www.chinonthetank.com/?p=11675#comment-15391 @whatever
Wow. I just laughed out loud.
Your comment does nothing but illustrate how much of a loser you are.

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By: Devyn https://www.chinonthetank.com/2013/10/philly-hates-motorcycles/comment-page-1/#comment-15390 Fri, 01 Nov 2013 19:47:35 +0000 http://www.chinonthetank.com/?p=11675#comment-15390 Hey douche, the signs work very well. I’ve watched the reactions of people these past 2 weeks from my window at work. Your right, they think I have a ticket for taking a space (that’s the point), then they actually read it. That number has been flooded with calls.

Most of us here on this site ride bicycles and understand how to RIDE safely in this city, whether on a bicycle or a motorcycle. I personally always view bicyclists as the same on the road.

Grow the fuck up.

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By: whatever https://www.chinonthetank.com/2013/10/philly-hates-motorcycles/comment-page-1/#comment-15388 Fri, 01 Nov 2013 19:09:58 +0000 http://www.chinonthetank.com/?p=11675#comment-15388 your mock VIOLATION note is not going to catch a car driver’s attention. if anything, they’ll be glad that you appear to have a ticket for parking in place of their precious oil drinking kill box.
if you want automobile drivers’ support to allow motorcycles and scooters to park on the sidewalk and take up bicycle parking spots, i would advise a different approach.
also, as a bicyclist, i find that most people on two motorized wheels are no better than those on four. so, y’know, suck it and i hope you die.

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By: Ben https://www.chinonthetank.com/2013/10/philly-hates-motorcycles/comment-page-1/#comment-15340 Thu, 31 Oct 2013 03:45:51 +0000 http://www.chinonthetank.com/?p=11675#comment-15340 Who wants to ride to the meeting?

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By: Lubes https://www.chinonthetank.com/2013/10/philly-hates-motorcycles/comment-page-1/#comment-15332 Wed, 30 Oct 2013 19:23:14 +0000 http://www.chinonthetank.com/?p=11675#comment-15332 Mark your calendars: PPA Board Meetings to be held Monday, November 25th and Monday, December 23rd at 11:30 AM in the Executive Office Board Room of the Philadelphia Parking Authority’s headquarters, located on the second floor of 701 Market Street, Philadelphia, PA 19106. Those who can need to voice our concerns directly with the PPA.

http://philapark.org/about-ppa/board-meeting-schedule/

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By: Devyn https://www.chinonthetank.com/2013/10/philly-hates-motorcycles/comment-page-1/#comment-15297 Mon, 28 Oct 2013 15:42:26 +0000 http://www.chinonthetank.com/?p=11675#comment-15297 http://www.newsworks.org/index.php/local/item/61222-fighting-back-against-philly-fines-for-parking-bikes-scooters-on-sidewalks?linktype=hp_topstory

Next on WHYY, PPA begins full on assault on sidewalk flowerpots.

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By: Ben https://www.chinonthetank.com/2013/10/philly-hates-motorcycles/comment-page-1/#comment-15275 Sat, 26 Oct 2013 22:10:03 +0000 http://www.chinonthetank.com/?p=11675#comment-15275 @devyn- WHYY is 90.9

Can’t wait to hear you harangue through your hangover!

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By: Devyn https://www.chinonthetank.com/2013/10/philly-hates-motorcycles/comment-page-1/#comment-15257 Sat, 26 Oct 2013 01:42:25 +0000 http://www.chinonthetank.com/?p=11675#comment-15257 Monday morning, WHYY 90.5FM. I think there will be a link of the broadcast. Roland from spare parts was interviewed, too. Hopefully he wasn’t out as late as I was the night before and one of us sounds coherent.

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By: Jim https://www.chinonthetank.com/2013/10/philly-hates-motorcycles/comment-page-1/#comment-15252 Fri, 25 Oct 2013 22:46:49 +0000 http://www.chinonthetank.com/?p=11675#comment-15252 Devyn, did she say when/if your interview would be broadcast?

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By: Devyn https://www.chinonthetank.com/2013/10/philly-hates-motorcycles/comment-page-1/#comment-15251 Fri, 25 Oct 2013 22:06:09 +0000 http://www.chinonthetank.com/?p=11675#comment-15251 Elizabeth from WHYY, who interviewed me earlier, informed me the PPA is temporarily relaxing ticketing in residential areas, but still enforcing in commercial areas. What outlines those areas, I can only guess—We all know it depends on what PPA agent is walking the street. Although this is only addressing scooters, Councilman Mark Squilla is on the side of two-wheeled riders and has been been a major help:
https://www.facebook.com/councilmanmarksquilla/posts/247998172018062

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By: ludwig https://www.chinonthetank.com/2013/10/philly-hates-motorcycles/comment-page-1/#comment-15245 Fri, 25 Oct 2013 12:09:40 +0000 http://www.chinonthetank.com/?p=11675#comment-15245 because of this I’ve decided that I’m leaving town. This is the last straw. Philly be damned!

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By: Adam Z https://www.chinonthetank.com/2013/10/philly-hates-motorcycles/comment-page-1/#comment-15240 Fri, 25 Oct 2013 05:55:21 +0000 http://www.chinonthetank.com/?p=11675#comment-15240 When I went to college in San Diego, we had a similar problem on campus. We printed out a few hundred flyers, and about fifty of us parked in one car space apiece, stayed with our bikes handing out the flyers for half a day.

Granted, campus cops are a lot more likely to give in to public pressure than the PPA, but it is worth a try. And it took a smaller number of us to take up a quarter of the good spots. Center City is crowded enough that losing 50 or 100 parking spaces for a few critical hours could get attention & news coverage.

Write the flyers carefully, and be polite. Tell drivers trolling for parking that you are following the new stupid law, and need their help or else it will become a permanent problem for everyone. Print LOTS of flyers.

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By: Greatjobdan https://www.chinonthetank.com/2013/10/philly-hates-motorcycles/comment-page-1/#comment-15234 Thu, 24 Oct 2013 23:04:25 +0000 http://www.chinonthetank.com/?p=11675#comment-15234 I left the bitch a dirty message. Fuck it lets go to the casino!

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By: chance https://www.chinonthetank.com/2013/10/philly-hates-motorcycles/comment-page-1/#comment-15232 Thu, 24 Oct 2013 21:26:57 +0000 http://www.chinonthetank.com/?p=11675#comment-15232 i fought one of these tickets last year. i was in chinatown, i parked next to singapore with the owners permission. i even seen a ppa minion and asked if this was ok. she replied “yeah no problem here”.

before i left my house for the evening i read up on the ppa motorcycle parking policy and it declared, no parking on the sidewalk with in center city limits, which was something like south to market and broad to 25th. that leads you to believe that it is alright to park outside of these limits.

ok so i received a ticket. i appealed. the “judge” informed me that philadelphia code prohibits all vehicles from parking on the sidewalk. i couldnt argue that. but i appealed, to bring attention to the fact that there is no option for any motorcyclist to park. and hopefully drive my point clearly enough to gain sympathy from the person hearing my appeal.

My point were these 3 things,

why is the website suggesting that it is, without infraction, ok to park on the sidewalk outside of center city limits and does NOT declare it to be against code to park on the sidewalk anywhere in philadelphia.

why do the ppa “officers” not know the law and seem to make it up as they go. (ive asked 30 workers and they all said it was alright to park on the sidewalk outside of center city limits)

what do you expect people to do? print out one of those tiny tickets and try to wedge it somewhere on the bike and hope that one of 3 things happens,

-the ppa officer actually sees it, because their is not set place to put it on a motorcycle,in contrast to, a car, where it is to be place on the dash near the driver side window.

-THE WIND DOESNT BLOW IT OFF,or……

-somebody doesnt just take it and use it for themselves, or just because they are jerks.

the response i got was, you are supposed to get a ticket and put it in your pocket and when you get a ticket, contest it, with the ticket being your proof.

WOW! they expect you to take 4 hours out of your day(thats how long i was there) to contest a ticket every time you want to patronize business around center city. thats absurd and thats no incentive to give your business around the city which generates revenue through taxes which the city seems to be needing these days shutting down schools and all…..

i appealed this decision, this time i had the option of showing up or mailing in my appeal. I mailed in 2 pages of basically what i said here, and i got a letter back, stating that i did not operate within philadelphia traffic code there for i am liable to pay the ticket and that i could not contest the ticket again.

i dont think the point to be made should be, theres no place to securely lock your bike from theft. theres no place to securely lock it on the sidewalk either.

i think the point should be made that THERE IS NO OPTION,
besides special parking spaces in center city, but what do you do when those few spaces are filled? ITS A FLAWED SYSTEM and that should be the focal point of the argument. not that your shit can get stolen or damaged. that can happen anywhere anytime regardless of parking it on a sidewalk or anywhere.

in response to the last comment:
do you think ppa officers will differentiate the sidewalk from a sliver of concrete next to a building? i dont think so. you will get a ticket and you will not spend 4 hrs contesting it to have it possibly be thrown out.

thats my story,
peace yo and im out.

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By: PPAwatch https://www.chinonthetank.com/2013/10/philly-hates-motorcycles/comment-page-1/#comment-15231 Thu, 24 Oct 2013 21:12:19 +0000 http://www.chinonthetank.com/?p=11675#comment-15231 Fed up with the PPA? Help us by sending photos of them parked illegally themselves to @PPAwatch on Twitter.

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By: shank-daddy https://www.chinonthetank.com/2013/10/philly-hates-motorcycles/comment-page-1/#comment-15229 Thu, 24 Oct 2013 17:39:21 +0000 http://www.chinonthetank.com/?p=11675#comment-15229 All valid points above, however, I don’t think the area immediately next to a building is always a sidewalk. Sometimes it may be an easement and as such is private property and the PPA has no right to enforce anything on private property unless the owner complains.

I will try to google the official State of PA definition of sidewalk and see what I can find.

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By: PhillyRider https://www.chinonthetank.com/2013/10/philly-hates-motorcycles/comment-page-1/#comment-15226 Thu, 24 Oct 2013 15:01:36 +0000 http://www.chinonthetank.com/?p=11675#comment-15226 As someone who parks on the sidewalk every day outside my house, and
who uses a paid garage at work due to tickets from sidewalk parking,
I’d like to introduce some actual facts about the question of motorcycle
parking on the sidewalk:

Operating a motor vehicle on the sidewalk is illegal.
http://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/LI/CT/HTM/75/00.037.003.000..HTM

Parking a motor vehicle on the sidewalk is illegal.
http://philapark.org/motorcycles-scooters/

City Code _12-913. Prohibitions in Specified Places

(1) Except when necessary to avoid conflict with other
traffic or to protect the safety of any person or vehicle or
in compliance with law or the directions of a police officer or
official traffic-control device, no person shall:

(a) Stop, stand or park a vehicle:

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(ii) On a sidewalk except that a bicycle may be parked
as provided in Section 12-807.

Note that those are city and state laws, not PPA “rules”. The PPA may
choose not to enforce them, but that doesn’t mean that sidewalk parking
is legal anywhere, and it doesn’t mean that the PPA makes the rules.

Any consideration that the PPA gives to the building owner or rider (about whether or not to issue tickets) is merely a courtesy, and is unofficial.

Since sidewalk parking is clearly illegal, think carefully about what to ask
for:

* Does it make sense to ask the PPA not to enforce the law? Sure, that
would be nice on a short-term basis, but there’s no guarantee
that their enforcement policy won’t change again.

* Does it make sense to ask for more MC/scooter parking (everywhere,
not just center city)? For me, if the parking isn’t secure
(some kind of metal hoop in the ground or a pole to which I can
chain my bike) I don’t want to use it.

* Does it make sense to lobby the city and state to change the law
regarding sidewalk parking. I think this has a vanishingly low
chance of success, and would require a lot of effort and re$ource$.

Personally, I like the idea of getting together a lot of riders and parking (legally) in car spaces, parallel to the curb, while paying the meter or kiosk. Think of the protests in New Hope a few years ago…. Instead of fighting the PPA alone and having car drivers think that we’re getting away with something by sidewalk parking, get the car drivers on our side by making it clear that MC sidewalk parking benefits them by freeing up parking spaces. Get the “other 90%” of people who are parking (cars) to lobby for us!

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By: Philly Hates Motorcycles | SBKH MOTO https://www.chinonthetank.com/2013/10/philly-hates-motorcycles/comment-page-1/#comment-15215 Wed, 23 Oct 2013 23:24:28 +0000 http://www.chinonthetank.com/?p=11675#comment-15215 […] originally post on Chin on the Tank […]

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